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faitheloo asked:

idk i don't really think kylo was being manipulative until he convinced her he'd come to the light. he was saying she came from nothing, but he never said she was nothing(i don't think so correct me if i'm wrong)but that shot where Rey shut the door on him i found very sad, bc in that moment he realized... the last person who believed in him had given up on him. he's got all this power now, at what cost? he won't be happy. he's driven by his emotions, and now happiness will be foreign to him.

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I totally agree. I think the final movie can be taken in two main directions. Kylo can either confront all of this conflict going on inside of him and decide he can be better than it all. That he can forgive what had been done to him. That he can forgive Luke for what he almost did (now isn’t that an interesting dynamic?). Or, he can turn away from it all. He can blame all of the conflict within himself on others and turn away from the light for good. I really hope, especially on the ending note of a sad and broken Kylo (and as a result viewer sympathy for him rises), that in the final movie he makes things right, however he chooses to go about that. 

I feel like the redemption arc at this point in time would be the most fulfilling ending because it would deliver the most closure and bring the trilogy down to a more complete ending. Or even at this point I can see a sacrificial arc like Darth Vader’s (which would also be a more complete ending - with how much Kylo idolized Darth Vader). Kylo going full dark side at this point would feel like such a cop-out tbh but it’s still a good possibility 

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I feel like most of the people who are salty about Luke being portrayed as a bitter old man are younger people that didn’t have to wait FOURTY YEARS for Mark Hamill to reprise his role like did you really think we were just gonna roll up to his Depression Island and he was gonna be the same desert twink all these years later?

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I feel for tlj Kylo talking to rey abt her parents may have been manipulative and abusive. He literally did the give away: you’re nobody, you feel bad (and I made you feel this way), but I’m the only one that can help you. I think Rey’s parents were more than alcohol people (in the first movie isn’t there a flashback where she hears her dad being like we love you). Idk just interesting thoughts

No in TFA all we see is Simon Pegg alien guy holding baby Rey’s arm as her parents’ ship leaves (unless there’s a DVD extra I’m missing?). We never hear or see her parents. In the flashback in Maz’s basement she hears Obi-Wan (Ewan’s voice) say something like “these are only your first steps” and everyone was like “kdhfakgbh she’s a Kenobi!!!!!!!!!!!!!” but can’t we just let her be nobody? Can’t we just let her be some scavenger girl and not like Secret Jedi Princess Chosen One or w/e like Anakin’s been there done that already and look how that turned out. Plus Rian took everything JJ set up and just kinda threw it in the trash and went in the complete opposite direction entirely and I feel like JJ was trying to build up to her being something and because Rian did everything else opposite of JJ I feel like that would be no exception.

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I feel like kylo lost his chance at redemption after the fight with Rey (like, alongside her) and he still wanted to rule. However, we didn’t fully know his intentions for ruling and the direction he was going to take the first order in. I’m very excited for how the third movie is going to tie this all together

same and tbh I just want the emo child to be happy for liKE ONE SECOND Please let the boy be happy

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TLJ wasn’t the Star Wars we wanted but it was the Star Wars we needed.

Like Luke’s write-off pissed off a lot of fans but I wouldn’t call his behavior ooc I mean he’s still the massive gay drama queen as always.

But on a serious note the movie wonderfully delivers some very heavy and hard-to-swallow lessons (just like Rogue One did).

Heroes fail. Leaders fall. The ways of the Jedi were flawed. Everyone has their weaknesses. People become old and bitter and broken. Not everything has to mean something, sometimes your heroes are nobodies, abandoned on backwater planets by alcoholic parents. The movie rips your favorite characters from you and burns your hopes and beliefs to the ground. Luke and Yoda burn them to the ground. It’s real. It’s upsetting. But it’s real.

This movie scorched the proverbial garden so that greener plants may grow. So that new heroes may rise from the ashes of the ones that came before them. Stronger, better, wiser.

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